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Hadden Turner's avatar

Great piece John,

When people ask me from a sustainability perspective what they should do about meat eating I say, "buy less and buy better." Better as in higher welfare, direct as you can from the farmer, and organic.

Couldn't agree more with your bit about factory farming. Its abhorrent. This quote from Wendell Berry always comes to mind: “Animal factories make an economic virtue out of heartlessness towards domestic animals, to which humans owe instead a large debt of gratitude and respect.” (from the essay Stupidity in Concentration)

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Roselle Angwin's avatar

John, I love your work and have all your books.

But taking a potshot at vegans is unfair and actually some of what you write is inaccurate (and btw we have the dentition and digestion of an omnivore; and the hunter-gatherer diet was predominantly – I believe the figure from recent research is around 80%-85% – veg, roots, and fruit, with meat a rare-ish treat).

For starters, between about 90% and 92% of all soybeans grown, along with most of the world's grain, is exported from abroad to feed the West's appetite for meat in the form of industrially farmed animals. (Humans eat a very small proportion indeed, and many meat-based processed foods contain it anyway. Plus tofu is barely more processed than cheese.) 82% of the world's starving children live in countries where these crops are grown for such export to feed livestock.

Meat is a highly inefficient way of producing protein, and is very heavy on land and water use; much heavier than an average vegan diet (I'm assuming that the latter, like my own, is not based in UPFs). The pollution from industrial animal agriculture equals or outstrips the global transport network's pollution. Deforestation takes place because we want more meat and the livestock need to be fed. Eutrophication of our waters is largely because of nitrates from animal waste. You of all people will know that only 4% – 4% – of mammals on the planet are actually wild and free-living. Livestock bred for us to exploit currently account for approx. 62% of global mammals by biomass; humans the remaining 34%. I find this shocking.

And btw we are growing fantastic food crops here with green manures, no-dig methods and mulches. Animal manure is not essential. Our biodiversity is massive, as there are wooded areas, meadowlands and regenerative scrub that we don't touch, and clearly don't graze.

Where you and I will agree is that our insane appetite for meat and dairy results in extreme cruelty, and while I personally would rather see no animals exploited when it is not actually necessary for our health (and you will know that most studies now agree that a plant-based diet is healthier) – or necessary because we are eg Inuit – I do get the argument for a limited number raised entirely ethically. However, I've just finished years of research into all this, and am just proofing a vegan cookbook rooted (pun intended) in recipes from our Brittany potager.

I quote/paraphrase Alice Walker (I think): 'Animals were not made for humans to use, any more than blacks were made for whites, or women for men.' Or Jeremy Bentham: ‘The question is not “Can they reason?”, nor “Can they talk?” but rather “Can they suffer?”’

In peace, and of course sanctimoniously...

Oh and PS unless the offal is organic, you are filling yourself with all the toxins your meat animal has filtered out of its own system... which includes all the many artificial fertilisers, pesticides and herbicides those herbivorous animals have devoured in their crops.

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